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Help with King's Gambit

Postby jpettit » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:20 pm

Can somebody help me with this line of the King's Gambit:

1.e5 e5; 2.f4 d6?!

I know it's dubious and I usually get a fine game, but I feel like I'm missing something, and my small, old, out-dated text doesn't touch it. After Nf3, I've seen Bg4 (then ... f5 in one game!), g6, Nc6, Nd7 -- well, just about everything! Is any of this considered by theory?

Thanks for your input, and long live the gambit!

-- JP
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Postby tellymetwise » Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:54 pm

Hello Petit,

I don't know if the theory is there, but below two games:

[Event "Schneider Bohemia Open"]
[Site "Pilsen CZE"]
[Date "2001.08.25"]
[EventDate "2001.08.18"]
[Round "8"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "P Neumann"]
[Black "J Jirka"]
[ECO "C30"]
[WhiteElo "2438"]
[BlackElo "2292"]
[PlyCount "80"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Bc4 Nc6 6. d3 a6 7. Nd5 Nxd5 8.
Bxd5 Be6 9. Bxc6+ bxc6 10. f5 Bd7 11. Qe2 Qb8 12. c3 f6 13. g4 a5 14. b3
Qa7 15. a3 Rb8 16. Rb1 Bb6 17. h4 a4 18. b4 c5 19. c4 cxb4 20. axb4 Bc5 21.
Ba3 Be3 22. Kf1 g6 23. Re1 Bf4 24. Rg1 Kf7 25. Qf2 Qa8 26. Ke2 c5 27. b5
Qa5 28. Bc1 Bxc1 29. Rxc1 a3 30. Qe1 Qa7 31. Qd2 Rhg8 32. h5 gxf5 33. gxf5
Rxg1 34. Rxg1 Rg8 35. Rxg8 Kxg8 36. Qa2 Qa5 37. Nd2 Be8 38. h6 Qc3 39. Qb3
Bh5+ 40. Ke3 Qd4+ 0-1

With this game, you can find back several optional continuation moves for white: 3.Nf3, 4.Nc3, 5.Bc4, 6.d3, 10.f5, 13.g4
It also shows what kind of endgame you might expect, playing the KGD.



If you want to research d6 as black, maybe you could have a look at the following game, though at a lower level.

[Event "EYCC G12"]
[Site "Halkidiki GRE"]
[Date "2001.09.04"]
[EventDate "2001.08.31"]
[Round "5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "N Miller"]
[Black "Ekaterina Egorova"]
[ECO "C30"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "140"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d6 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb6 7. Nc3 Bg4 8.
Be3 Nc6 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. h3 Nxe4 12. Nxe4 Rxe4 13. Qd3 Bxf3 14.
Rxf3 Rxe3 15. Rxe3 Bxd4 16. Re1 Bxe3+ 17. Qxe3 Qf6 18. Qb3 Qd4+ 19. Kh1 Qb4
20. Qxb4 Nxb4 21. Bf3 c6 22. a3 Na6 23. b4 Nc7 24. Re7 Nb5 25. Rxb7 Nd4 26.
Bg4 g6 27. Rd7 d5 28. Rc7 a5 29. Bd7 axb4 30. axb4 Rb8 31. Bxc6 Nxc6 32.
Rxc6 Rxb4 33. Rd6 Rb5 34. Kg1 Kf8 35. Kf2 Ke7 36. Rc6 Rb2+ 37. Kf3 Rb3+ 38.
Kf2 Rb4 39. Kf3 Re4 40. Rb6 Kd7 41. Rf6 Ke7 42. Rc6 Kd7 43. Rf6 Re7 44. Ra6
Re6 45. Ra7+ Ke8 46. Ra5 Rd6 47. Ke3 Ke7 48. Kd4 Ke6 49. g4 h6 50. h4 h5
51. g5 Kf5 52. Kc5 Rd8 53. Ra4 d4 54. Ra1 d3 55. Rd1 d2 56. Kc4 Kxf4 57.
Kc3 Kg4 58. Kc2 Kxh4 59. Rh1+ Kxg5 60. Kd1 h4 61. Rg1+ Kh5 62. Rh1 g5 63.
Rf1 Rd7 64. Rf6 h3 65. Rf1 g4 66. Rf5+ Kh4 67. Rf1 g3 68. Rf4+ Kg5 69. Rf1
g2 70. Rg1 Kf4 0-1
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2...d6

Postby mberggren » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:02 am

If I remember correctly 2...d6 was Fishers recommendation against the KG, so there should probably be some of his games to look at.
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2...d6

Postby vampirex » Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:52 pm

Actually Fischer's move was 3...d6 (not 2...d6) ;after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 so after 1.e4 e5 2. f4 d6 3.Nf3 exf4 transposes to Fischer variation. Also playable is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nf3 d6 etc. My copy of ECO vol C (1997) only lists two games with 2...d6 in note 1. a 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.d3 exf4 7.Bf4 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9.d4 +/ (big edge for white) and b. 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.h3 Bxf3 6.Qxf3 Be7 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.Be3 +/= (slight edge for White).
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Re: Help with King's Gambit

Postby cornstalk » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:26 am

jpettit wrote:Can somebody help me with this line of the King's Gambit:

1.e5 e5; 2.f4 d6?!

I know it's dubious and I usually get a fine game, but I feel like I'm missing something, and my small, old, out-dated text doesn't touch it. After Nf3, I've seen Bg4 (then ... f5 in one game!), g6, Nc6, Nd7 -- well, just about everything! Is any of this considered by theory?

Thanks for your input, and long live the gambit!

-- JP


2...d6 is indeed a dubious move, which gives White everything he wants. The standard way to play against it is to withhold the development of the f1-bishop until Black's knight appears on c6, then pin it. White is then playing a very souped-up sort of Ruy Lopez. Thus for example, 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bb5 or 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 (not 4. Bc4, which is merely O.K.) 4...Nc6 4. Bb5. Black's outlook is bleak.

It would probably be even worse for Black to put his b7-knight on d7. In that case , White would deploy his bishop to c4.
Last edited by cornstalk on Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby cornstalk » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:28 am

tellymetwise wrote:Hello Petit,

I don't know if the theory is there, but below two games:

[Event "Schneider Bohemia Open"]
[Site "Pilsen CZE"]
[Date "2001.08.25"]
[EventDate "2001.08.18"]
[Round "8"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "P Neumann"]
[Black "J Jirka"]
[ECO "C30"]
[WhiteElo "2438"]
[BlackElo "2292"]
[PlyCount "80"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Bc4 Nc6 6. d3 a6 7. Nd5 Nxd5 8.
Bxd5 Be6 9. Bxc6+ bxc6 10. f5 Bd7 11. Qe2 Qb8 12. c3 f6 13. g4 a5 14. b3
Qa7 15. a3 Rb8 16. Rb1 Bb6 17. h4 a4 18. b4 c5 19. c4 cxb4 20. axb4 Bc5 21.
Ba3 Be3 22. Kf1 g6 23. Re1 Bf4 24. Rg1 Kf7 25. Qf2 Qa8 26. Ke2 c5 27. b5
Qa5 28. Bc1 Bxc1 29. Rxc1 a3 30. Qe1 Qa7 31. Qd2 Rhg8 32. h5 gxf5 33. gxf5
Rxg1 34. Rxg1 Rg8 35. Rxg8 Kxg8 36. Qa2 Qa5 37. Nd2 Be8 38. h6 Qc3 39. Qb3
Bh5+ 40. Ke3 Qd4+ 0-1

With this game, you can find back several optional continuation moves for white: 3.Nf3, 4.Nc3, 5.Bc4, 6.d3, 10.f5, 13.g4
It also shows what kind of endgame you might expect, playing the KGD.



If you want to research d6 as black, maybe you could have a look at the following game, though at a lower level.

[Event "EYCC G12"]
[Site "Halkidiki GRE"]
[Date "2001.09.04"]
[EventDate "2001.08.31"]
[Round "5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "N Miller"]
[Black "Ekaterina Egorova"]
[ECO "C30"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "140"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d6 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb6 7. Nc3 Bg4 8.
Be3 Nc6 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. h3 Nxe4 12. Nxe4 Rxe4 13. Qd3 Bxf3 14.
Rxf3 Rxe3 15. Rxe3 Bxd4 16. Re1 Bxe3+ 17. Qxe3 Qf6 18. Qb3 Qd4+ 19. Kh1 Qb4
20. Qxb4 Nxb4 21. Bf3 c6 22. a3 Na6 23. b4 Nc7 24. Re7 Nb5 25. Rxb7 Nd4 26.
Bg4 g6 27. Rd7 d5 28. Rc7 a5 29. Bd7 axb4 30. axb4 Rb8 31. Bxc6 Nxc6 32.
Rxc6 Rxb4 33. Rd6 Rb5 34. Kg1 Kf8 35. Kf2 Ke7 36. Rc6 Rb2+ 37. Kf3 Rb3+ 38.
Kf2 Rb4 39. Kf3 Re4 40. Rb6 Kd7 41. Rf6 Ke7 42. Rc6 Kd7 43. Rf6 Re7 44. Ra6
Re6 45. Ra7+ Ke8 46. Ra5 Rd6 47. Ke3 Ke7 48. Kd4 Ke6 49. g4 h6 50. h4 h5
51. g5 Kf5 52. Kc5 Rd8 53. Ra4 d4 54. Ra1 d3 55. Rd1 d2 56. Kc4 Kxf4 57.
Kc3 Kg4 58. Kc2 Kxh4 59. Rh1+ Kxg5 60. Kd1 h4 61. Rg1+ Kh5 62. Rh1 g5 63.
Rf1 Rd7 64. Rf6 h3 65. Rf1 g4 66. Rf5+ Kh4 67. Rf1 g3 68. Rf4+ Kg5 69. Rf1
g2 70. Rg1 Kf4 0-1


These games address 2...Bc5, not 2...d6, which is the subject of this thread.
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Re: Help with King's Gambit

Postby martijn » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:04 pm

jpettit wrote:Can somebody help me with this line of the King's Gambit:

1.e5 e5; 2.f4 d6?!

I know it's dubious and I usually get a fine game, but I feel like I'm missing something, and my small, old, out-dated text doesn't touch it. After Nf3, I've seen Bg4 (then ... f5 in one game!), g6, Nc6, Nd7 -- well, just about everything! Is any of this considered by theory?

Thanks for your input, and long live the gambit!

-- JP

My theorybook says:
1.e4,e5
2.f4,d6
3.Nf3,Nd7
4.d4,Ngf6
5.fxe5,Nxe4
6.Bd3
With a better position for white..
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