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Here is a tough one.

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Here is a tough one.

Postby cohonas » Thu May 19, 2005 3:07 am

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White to play and win. (solution is quite spectacular).
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Postby martp » Mon May 23, 2005 11:04 pm

only one move and checkmate???
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Postby davidswhite » Tue May 24, 2005 1:14 am

Of course not,that wouldn't be much of a puzzle.
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Postby cohonas » Tue May 24, 2005 7:36 am

martp wrote:only one move and checkmate???


No as David points out, that wouldn't be much of a puzzle, the move sequence is 11 moves until it is completely clear that black is lost position, like i said it is a tough one and i will let it stand for a little while longer before i give the moves.
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Postby gmiller » Tue May 24, 2005 11:26 am

After 7hrs of analysis Fritz still scored the position in favor of black. :shock:
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Postby keithstuart » Tue May 24, 2005 12:03 pm

gmiller wrote:After 7hrs of analysis Fritz still scored the position in favor of black. :shock:


aye chessbase light had the same conclusion but then again it isn;t as good as fritz or ran anywhere near as long.

I think this answer will be open to debate anyway if it is 11 moves long, unless all the moves are pretty much forced.
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Postby cohonas » Tue May 24, 2005 7:46 pm

Ok guys here goes:

1.Nf6+ Kg7 (Kg6?? Bh5+ ot Bc2+ wins easily) 2.Nh5+ Kg6 3.Bc2+! Kxh5
4.d8Q!!! Nf7+ 5.Ke6! Nxd8 6.Kf5 (threaten Bd1 with mate) e2 7.Be4! e1N! 8.Bd5! (renews the threat of mate with Bc4 to e2) c2! 9.Bc4 c1N 10.Bb5 Nc7 11.Ba4!!

Now maybe black can prolong the loss a bit better than with Nc7, but at any rate here black is completely lost :) It is my favorite puzzle of all times and quite possible the hardest too. I hope you had fun with this one.
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Postby gmiller » Tue May 24, 2005 8:29 pm

Wow, that was pretty cool. I just punched it in to Shredder on one computer and Shredder UCI on another a couple hours ago. I'll let it run until morning, but I doubt it will find the solution.
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Postby davidswhite » Tue May 24, 2005 8:37 pm

Jonas, absolutely brilliant and so far beyond me that it's staggering!!!Trapping the black king on the h-file by sacrificing material was probably
the only continuation I didn't consider and yet it's such a thing of beauty
as it unfolds.

Did this occur in an actual game or was it conceived in a chess puzzle
laboratory?

Bestest,David
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Postby keithstuart » Wed May 25, 2005 9:44 am

Whats the website where you can punch in a position plus who's turn it is that lists mates out to 20 odd moves??

Would that find this one?

Chessbase stops at Mates in 8, or at least i havn't seen anything higher
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Postby cohonas » Mon May 30, 2005 5:45 am

keithstuart wrote:Whats the website where you can punch in a position plus who's turn it is that lists mates out to 20 odd moves??

Would that find this one?

Chessbase stops at Mates in 8, or at least i havn't seen anything higher


I doubt there is a website that can handle 5+ pieces, what you are referring to is probably an endgame database that is hooked up to some of these endgame bases (tablebase?).

I also doubt that any chess program will find the solution as they are stupid :)

David nice to see you liked the position as much as i did, i had the same reaction as you when i saw it the first time :)

As for your question, well maybe it is maybe it ain't ;)

BTW i will get back to you soon on your mail, sorry i tend to procrastinate when it comes to dealing with digital communication.

PS: if anyone has a chess program running on this position i would like to hear what it comes up with.
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Postby gmiller » Mon May 30, 2005 9:23 am

I let Shredder 9 analyze it for 28hrs and it found nothing interesting.
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Postby gmiller » Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:50 pm

Here's a ChessBase article about the puzzle:
http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puzz16b.htm

According the addendum at the end, 4...Kg4 looks like a draw.
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